that was the case yes. But now since the building and opening of the welsh assembly and hollyrood parliament buildings (since labour came to power) and the election of mps for wales and scotland (so led to believe by ALL of the press), the houses of parliament mps for english towns/cities/villages can not vote on welsh or scottish matters, the welsh can not vote on the scottish matters, the scottish can not vote on welsh matter. But the welsh and scottish can both vote on matters that affect english only matters.

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If that is the case, then me and most others should give up playing CSS as you are miles better than most people.

thers a couple of things i think most people dont know. the scottish and welsh parliaments are completely funded by the UK government england, scotland, wales and northern ireland.
all revenues collected by the taxman in scotland, northern ireland, wales and england go to the parliament at westminster.
scottish and welsh parliaments are run to a budget decided by westminster.
the scottish and welsh parliaments have limited powers unlike westminster which has all the power.


If that is the case, then me and most others should give up playing CSS as you are miles better than most people.
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i get told that a lot

WTF why shouldn't Scotland, wales and northern Ireland have there say over what happens in England we are the United Kingdom, governed over by one Queen.

if we all have separate currency then fair enough but we dont we all have the same our laws all come from the same house of parlement and the tosser that run the whole country all work out one house in london and for those who haven worked this out yet that in ENGLAND.....

as most of you will gave guessed by now im pro to staying as one nation....

if you look at it the other way all the scottish welsh and irish lads should whom make up 50% of our armed forces should stop fighting for the uk and where would we be then further up shit creak without a paddle...

see as this has become a slagging match now heres my 2 pence worth...

we all have the right to our oppions but to try and break our country up there is more shit going on to worry about than this like giving all our laws over to the euopin union witch now say that we can't put green dye in our mussy peas, cant sing bar bar black sheep, and now christmas will become winter fest sorry i like my peas green ,ive never seen a green sheep and im a christian so i will cellabrate fucking christmas ...

i like beening part of the uk and calling them all my kins men if you want to be from one country go live in a cupbord...


sorry for the rant but this was getting my back up


jamie

I whole heartedly agree with the European union, they can just feck the hell off! I taught my kids to sing bar bar black sheep, as you do get black sheep (see quite a few around here) and I will not teach them to sing bar bar absence of colour sheep, peas are green and if you mush them up yourselves they stay green!! It is LBs and OUNCES not Grams and Kilogrammes! So Europe tossers can pee off there.

They only have to turn up for about 100 days a year, and they get paid twice to, with 2 lots of expences, paid family stop offers in Brussels. Them and their Brussel Sprouts can just feck the hell off. Worse thing that labour did was join the EU in 1973/4 and sign the Human Rights Act. Signing that now gives criminals more rights than their victims (Jamie Bulger case springs to mind when Europe said it was against venables and thingys human rights to detain them for the rest of their lives and they had to be released at the age of 21!!!!!)!!!!!!!!!!

Well, regarding the nationalism-"issue" I haveto go with eachann, as he put it pretty well.

I also think that the European Union needs a rethink, but we live in a capitalist-world, the people working in the EU are jut a few of many many people who earn more then they should.

The metric system is logical.

And even though the crimes that you mention Brucey, were heinous, I do believe in human rights, even for criminals, I wouldn't deny two 10-year old boys the right to try and live a normal life (after some sort of sentence of course, I also believe in a judicial system) since they will be marked for the rest of their days anyway. I do, however, not justify their crimes.


Also, people tend to not listen to reasoning when it comes to things "that have always been like that". Everything should be open for discussion, even though people will say "Why should we change, we've always called it that" and don't think of the big picture, it should be discussable even if the conclusion is to not change. However, the level of political correctness that is infiltrating everything that we do is becoming rather silly.

There, tried to give my reflections about all that has been brought up in this thread

EH, that's not true - the UK parliament has 'reserved' powers over the Scotland at least (not sure how it works for Wales and N.I).
For example, English MPs could vote (and most likely will) to build a fuckton of nuclear waste storage facilities all over Scotland and there is nothing we can do about it.

IIRC Westminster can still run the rule over Scotland with matters of Defense and some Taxation concerns...


As for the EU - well yeah, the European Human Rights act is a terrible, terrible thing...

Let me ask you Brucey... don't you believe in rehabilitation?

i think his point was that some are beyond rehabilitation, ie the 2 involved with the jamie bulger case, whilst cases like that make me and most angry, the human rights issue has to apply to everyone. we cant pick and choose who has rights and who has none regardless of what we feel.
the european court of human rights decllared that prisoners slopping out in scotland was against their human rights. prisoners in scotland are entitled to compensation if they have had to slop out. i hear anger and resentment, why should they have a cash sum for being locked up for whatever crime they have commited and rightly so.
what the UK government didnt tell anyone was that they had recieved an order from the european court of human rights, informing them of this and given notice to insure that at least 90% of scottish prisoners were to be given human toilet facilities and a timeframe of 5 years to ensure this. the UK government repeatedly ignored the directive for whatever reason. probably down to finance i guess.
the point is, prisoners, regardles of the crime, should not have to crap in a bucket in the 21st century. repeatedly failing to ensure they had toilet facilites means that they can make a claim against the UK government.
anyways im off to do my community service

sigh!! got a sore head now reading this shite.

Good post.

I think it's ridiculous to assume that the 2 boys in the Bulger cause were beyond rehabilitation though.

im scottish lol live in england most of my life tho